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If it really is a vocation... as they keep saying... why don't the teachers offer to take a pay cut and then the government could re-direct the money saved into protecting the teaching services that are being cut? It would be win-win!
Just wondering like.
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-- skennedy
11/04/12 at 11:11
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 From :
hydra
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 12:33 |
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| Why have you lost respect for teachers Maedhbh?
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From :
skennedy
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 12:43 |
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| It's their clothing, Maedhbh, isn't it? They just have no decent fashion sense. Leather elbows on a tweed coat... it's just unnecessary.
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From :
skennedy
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 12:46 |
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Or...
Belligerent ghouls
Run Dublin schools
Spineless swines
Cemented minds
Sir leads the troops
Jealous of youth
Same old suit since 1962
He does the military two-step
Down the nape of my neck
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From :
poppycock
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 13:34 |
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Yes Maedbh, elaborate, because I tend to agree with you.
I could pick bones all day...
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From :
Maedhbh
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 14:28 |
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| I'm getting better at deducing sarcasm over muted internet tones
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From :
number10
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 15:10 |
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| I just think people are interested...
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From :
hydra
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 16:02 |
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| Don't know about anyone else but I was being serious, I'm curious as to why you've lost some respect for them?
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From :
ttemme
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 17:40 |
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| i thought teachers w's a brand of whisky...
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From :
Dublinturntable
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 18:14 |
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As a teacher I'd like to offer an opinion.
I decided to become a teacher 6 years ago. Having just bought a house (at the height of the market) I was not in a position to become a full time student so my only option was a post grad. In order to get onto this course I needed a c3 in higher level Irish which I didn't have. So I worked part time and studied at night to resist the leaving cert. I got onto the course which was 2 years long. Can I point out at this stage that between starting the course and finishing it, my starting salary decreased by 30%.
I didn't mind though as it is something that I want to do.
Since getting a job I have experienced nothing but contempt from many angles. The public, parents, media. Everyone has decided that it is out fault and no more is there any appreciation for educating the youth of the country. We have also had to face the exact same cuts as everyone else (we pay tax too you know), as well as additional cuts spun as pension levy (the pensions of others as my terms have been decimated).
Professionally, we have also had to face massive cutbacks in terms of sna's and resource teachers. All the while being told we ate lucky to have a job.
We have now been scolded and told our standards are dropping and need to get better. (with limited resources).
In my personal life I have been hit with enormous negative equity, rising costs, a growing family and the same worries and fears that everyone has. My wife works in the private sector so we need to cling to my salary just to keep some sanity that we can provide for our children.
I hope this doesn't come accross as a rant, that's not my intention. I just would like to show something from the other side. I'm willing to pay my share but people are being told that we (teachers) are ruining the country. This divide and conquer mission has worked as it has taken away the real focus. I do not get a great salary. What I do get I deserve. I am incredibly dedicated and will continue to be so in te face of continuous negativity.
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From :
smurke
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 19:06 |
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| I wonder would you come down hard on your students for not proof reading work they handed up?
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From :
Dublinturntable
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 19:11 |
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Ah do me a favour, that was all typed on an iPhone.
If you are going to be pedantic about it as opposed to trying to offer an opinion then I'm sorry to have bothered.
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From :
smurke
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Posted : 11/04/12 at 19:17 |
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actually if you needed a c3, your probably a primary teacher, but who knows, maybe primary school children are emailing assignments in now.
I'm sympatheic to anyone in negative equity, but I think €30,000 is a good start off salary, in any profession. It still rises in accordance with your experience, and that's good too. Teaching is a difficult job, I know, I subbed for a while after I completed my BA, but there are plenty of perks too.
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From :
skennedy
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 10:14 |
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One of my best friends is a primary school teacher. He has been doing it a long time, and he is wrecked. I don't envy him - or any teacher.
(OK - I envy his job for life. And his holidays. And his working hours. And his salary. And his vocation. And his pension. And his better hair... but apart from that...)
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From :
davel
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 10:31 |
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| Grammar...the difference between knowing your Shit and knowing you're Shit...not a fan of proof reads either Mr Smurke?
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From :
smurke
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 12:10 |
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| no davel, I'm not a teacher
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From :
smurke
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 12:11 |
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| I had spotted it after the post, a reason why I wish there was an edit option on the board
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From :
number10
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 15:14 |
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| Hey Dublinturntable - your thoughtful and open response is appreciated. There is nothing in what you said that any remotely intelligent person could disagree with. There is still an issue about public service pension levels - but if that doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply...
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From :
Dublinturntable
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 19:39 |
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Thanks for that number10. I genuinely appreciate a considered response.
While I'm here may I add that every teacher I know considers themselves lucky to have a secure job and guaranteed pension (outwardly at least). I also understand that the pension situation is unbalanced but I don't think it's realised that teachers pay into their own pension also (alongside a pension levy which is seperate).
Having said that, I will repeat that I know it is unsustainable and things need to change on that front. My only reason for posting at all was to show that there is a different side to that which is spun.
Understandably, when people are under stress and pressure, particularly financially, they want someone to blame. Sometimes it is justified, other times we are an easy target.
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From :
cyberbuli
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Posted : 12/04/12 at 23:47 |
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| I studied to resist the Leaving Cert too but it did not work. I still had to sit the fecker. What's a c3? A Citroen?
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From :
number10
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Posted : 13/04/12 at 10:52 |
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| I resisted studying and like dublinturntable had to re-sit.
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