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No ordinary Joe

He’s one of the last great orators in Irish politics. But there’s more to Joe Higgins TD than firebrand socialism. In this candid interview, the man once described as a ‘nitwit’ by an enraged Bertie Ahern talks about his childhood, the role of the church in his life and explains why the Celtic Tiger has let Ireland down

Olaf Tyaransen, 18 Oct 2006

Do you admire him in any way?

I don’t, no. I don’t admire any political party or any political personage that would be responsible for the kind of society that this government has created.

What do you think of the standard of debate in the Dail?

It’s very poor in general – unfortunately. There’s a tendency on the government’s side – not a tendency but a practice – where everything is just read from scripts. So, you know, it’s presented in a very dead and boring way.

Do the Socialist Party have a spin doctor or a speechwriter?

No. I mean, maybe when the Socialist Party has a bigger parliamentary party – we hope to get our councilor in North Dublin, Claire Daly, elected, and we have two other councilors, Mick Murphy in Dublin South West and Mick Barry in Cork, who are very strong, credible candidates – we’ll need more political back-up in that sense. But for now, really, colleagues help me with research and with the constituency work very effectively. But in terms of the questions to the Taoiseach and the government, the issues and the fights, that would be mostly my own creation.

Do you still give most of your salary back to the party?

Yes. Our policy, which I have implemented from the very beginning, was to live on the equivalent of the average industrial wage. So my take-home pay would be around thirty thousand euros. The rest of it goes some to the Socialist Party, some to campaigns and a whole range of different issues right across the board. Now, if I travel for the party, those expenses would be covered quite legitimately.

Do you think TDs are overpaid?

Well, in my view, if TDs were on the average wage, they would be much closer to the life of working people. But obviously TDs in the parties that represent big business... they’re in it for something completely different than how the Socialist Party approaches it. It’s no wonder government Ministers get divorced from the feelings and the views of ordinary people, because they’re living on these hugely inflated wages and salaries. Government ministers are well over the €100,000 mark, and the prime minister or the Taoiseach is on €200,000 plus. That’s light years removed from the lives of most working people who, despite all the propaganda about the Celtic Tiger and all that, are still finding it tough enough.



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