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No ordinary Joe

He’s one of the last great orators in Irish politics. But there’s more to Joe Higgins TD than firebrand socialism. In this candid interview, the man once described as a ‘nitwit’ by an enraged Bertie Ahern talks about his childhood, the role of the church in his life and explains why the Celtic Tiger has let Ireland down

Olaf Tyaransen, 18 Oct 2006

Do you have any wealthy friends?

No. Obviously, I know people who are self-employed – be they plumbers or carpenters or taxi drivers or that type of thing – and some of them would be doing alright for themselves. But do I mix with millionaires? No.

Do you socialise with other politicians?

I have a very friendly working relationship with most of the independent TDs in the Dáil. But I don’t drink in the bar with right wing politicians, no.

Do you not think that you’d achieve more by sleeping – or drinking – with the enemy, so to speak?

No.

Do you see them as the enemy?

Yes, they are. Ideologically and in terms of the society that they have created and stand over, yeah. My life is dedicated to changing that society to a democratic socialist society.

Can you give me an example of where a society like that has worked?

There is no socialist society. And there hasn’t been. The Russian revolution in 1917 was a massive event in human history when the first time working people and poor farmers took power against enormous odds. That was a huge achievement. Unfortunately, for very definite factors, which we don’t have time to go into now, it degenerated into Stalinism in the 1920s. Between genuine socialism and revolutionary ideals that Lenin and Trotsky stood for and the Bolshevik Party stood for, a river of blood divided that from what was created by Stalin and the subsequent bureaucracies that emerged in Russia and Eastern Europe, and from the very beginning in China actually.

What about Cuba?

Well, in the case of Cuba the ending of the Batista dictatorship and the public ownership of key sectors of the economy made a huge difference to the lives of people. But we don’t believe that Cuba is a worker’s democracy. And that’s what needs to be achieved. That workers have full democratic rights in Cuba. Because, for us, democratic rights are as essential to socialism and a publicly owned economy as oxygen is to the human body.



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