Many expected Unknown Pleasures to be a settling of scores but instead it’s remarkably even-handed and in parts downright self-deprecating.

“I might hate the bastards for carrying on as New Order without me, but I’m not going to use something as important as Joy Division to score cheap retaliatory points.”

He adds “Steve and Bernard weren’t, shall we say, very helpful. They tried to get copies before it was published, which came with an inbuilt threat. I find it hard to believe that they know me so little after 30 years.”

Read the full interview in the latest issue of Hot Press (Katie Taylor cover), out today.